[hardy-l] RE: a rq to all the forum memebrs

Tue Mar 3 08:19:51 PST 2009

 It is a humble request to all the forum mebers to kindly ignore and delete the previous with the subject line as "long mail read at leisure" as it is a personal one and was not meant for the forum. I hope and believe that people in this forum are sensitive enough to understand its importance. 

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> Subject: Hardy-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 5
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> 1. RE: kindly ignore the previous mail (Arvind raina)
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> 3. Re: RE: kindly ignore the previous mail (Betty Cortus)
> 4. RE: RE: Hardy-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3 (kross3 at alumni.lsu.edu)
> 5. RE: RE: Hardy-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3 (Rosemarie Morgan)
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> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:56:25 +0000
> From: Arvind raina <peas_n_ponds at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [hardy-l] RE: kindly ignore the previous mail
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> Dear Pauline
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> Thanks for your mail. I completely agree with you on the issue of using sparknotes and will do as you have suggested. I have finished reading Jude The Obscure and now reading Far From The Madding Crowd. When I think about Jude The Obscure, I think I have the story in my mind but still find it difficult to put it in words. 
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> The characters in it -the four main characters-Jude, Sue Arabella and Philotson-all are beautifully developed and I guess I have been able to understand them but just as much as a lay man would. 
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> I can understand the story but then there are many things that I simply fail to understand because of the cultural, historical and geographical background and also because of my lack of command over the English language. My comprehension is very bad and I tend to forget things no sooner I read them.
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> You know what there are plenty of books available in the market which are written with an intention to help college students to get passing marks. These books have all the possible questions one may have in mind but I personally feel taking help from these books will make my knowledge of these beautiful novels superfluous. 
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> I really need help. I need help to genuinely understand his works.No not because I am appearing for exams as at 39 I cannot. I know its too late but I still have some life left in me I guess. I am sure there are books written with all seriousness to give Hardy's fans a genuine glimpse into Hardy's life and work. I would appreciate if you could suggest me some. Books that are not short cuts but genuine and serious ones.
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> I am happy to be a part of this forum and soon will actively participate in there. Meanwhile, I will continue to keep an eye on the forum to collect as much information as possible. I am also going to attempt to make a list of difficult words (which in my case would be many) and will post them (if permissted) for students whose mother tongue is not English.
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> I shall continue to be in touch with you and will write whenever I have difficult in understanding anything. With this forum's help I am sure I will be able to finally understand what I find difficult now and will be a happy man once again.
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> Thanks, Indeed
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> Warm Regards
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> Arvind Raina
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> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:48:33 -0500
> From: Rosemarie Morgan <Rosemarie.morgan at yale.edu>
> Subject: RE: [hardy-l] RE: Hardy-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3
> To: hardy-l at coyote.csusm.edu
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> Just a few thoughts --.
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> >"Sue is struggling suggests that life for a New Woman was difficult indeed."
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> Some studies on emancipation have shown that for women struggling for 
> liberation and independence, yet whose entire history had been one of 
> dependence and reliance (upon the protection of father, then husband), a 
> protection needed partly due to childbirth & the lack of effective 
> contraception, there is a useful comparison to be made with emancipated 
> slaves. In both cases, confusion, lack of self-esteem, intense anxiety, 
> identity crises and many serious psychological handicaps afflicted both the 
> emancipated post-bellum slave and the nineteenth- twentieth-century woman. 
> Both were expected to hold their own in a world neither had ever 
> experienced before. Most scarcely knew who they were or what they could 
> expect of themselves.
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> I found these to be very useful sociological studies.
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> >"There is also the argument that to live a life as man and wife without 
> >proper marriage would eventually destroy society "
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> Hardy was deeply concerned about Victorian institutionalised matrimony 
> which denied women the right to own their body (let alone their own 
> property) in a world clamouring for equal rights. Double standards existed 
> in the divorce laws (Woodlanders), in property laws (FFMC) and in sexual 
> mores (Tess) and so on. In this respect Hardy adhered closely to John 
> Stuart Mill (worth reading- especially On Liberty)
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> >"...Father Time and what he represents. For example, does he literally 
> >represent time, or sign of the times, or even future time? ..."
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> If memory serves he was one of those children who had the appearance of a 
> little old man. He certainly had a very rough childhood: posted off by his 
> mother from Australia with a sign round his neck to identify him, to a 
> father he had never met, and a stepmother who, herself, lacked a sense of 
> her own identity (Little Jude asks Sue at one point if he should call her 
> mother). Moreover his new parents were itinerant, without fixed abode, 
> obviously struggling and Little Jude was ostracised by other children for 
> these reasons. Old before his time, I think, may be apt.
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> My dime's worth!
> Cheers
> Rosemarie. 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:03:06 -0800
> From: Betty Cortus <bcortus at HARDY-L.COM>
> Subject: Re: [hardy-l] RE: kindly ignore the previous mail
> To: hardy-l at coyote.csusm.edu
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> On Mar 3, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Arvind raina wrote:
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> > I am sure there are books written with all seriousness to give 
> > Hardy's fans a genuine glimpse into Hardy's life and work. I would 
> > appreciate if you could suggest me some. Books that are not short 
> > cuts but genuine and serious ones.
> 
> Dear Arvind,
> 
> There are some excellent biographies of Hardy available. A commonly 
> recommended one is Michael Millgate's Thomas Hardy: A Biography 
> Revisited. This would certainly be a good place to start. Another 
> book you would find useful is The Oxford Reader's Companion to Hardy 
> edited by Norman Page. It gives overviews of, and comments on, all 
> aspects of Hardy's work, glimpses into his relationships with the 
> people and ideas current during his lifetime, and much more, in an 
> easy to access alphabetical format.
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> Good luck with your reading!
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> Betty
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> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:38:28 -0600
> From: <kross3 at alumni.lsu.edu>
> Subject: RE: [hardy-l] RE: Hardy-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3
> To: <hardy-l at coyote.csusm.edu>
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> Dear Rosemarie,
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> I've just recently subscribed to the forum. Your note below about the studies on emancipation and the New Woman, drawing comparisons to slavery, interests me very much. Would you please point me in the right direction regarding these studies with a citation? I'd be very grateful.
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> Cheers,
> 
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> 
> Kristin
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> > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:48:33 -0500
> > To: hardy-l at coyote.csusm.edu
> > From: Rosemarie.morgan at yale.edu
> > Subject: RE: [hardy-l] RE: Hardy-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3
> > 
> > Just a few thoughts --.
> > 
> > >"Sue is struggling suggests that life for a New Woman was difficult indeed."
> > 
> > Some studies on emancipation have shown that for women struggling for 
> > liberation and independence, yet whose entire history had been one of 
> > dependence and reliance (upon the protection of father, then husband), a 
> > protection needed partly due to childbirth & the lack of effective 
> > contraception, there is a useful comparison to be made with emancipated 
> > slaves. In both cases, confusion, lack of self-esteem, intense anxiety, 
> > identity crises and many serious psychological handicaps afflicted both the 
> > emancipated post-bellum slave and the nineteenth- twentieth-century woman. 
> > Both were expected to hold their own in a world neither had ever 
> > experienced before. Most scarcely knew who they were or what they could 
> > expect of themselves.
> > 
> > I found these to be very useful sociological studies.
> > 
> > 
> > >"There is also the argument that to live a life as man and wife without 
> > >proper marriage would eventually destroy society "
> > 
> > Hardy was deeply concerned about Victorian institutionalised matrimony 
> > which denied women the right to own their body (let alone their own 
> > property) in a world clamouring for equal rights. Double standards existed 
> > in the divorce laws (Woodlanders), in property laws (FFMC) and in sexual 
> > mores (Tess) and so on. In this respect Hardy adhered closely to John 
> > Stuart Mill (worth reading- especially On Liberty)
> > 
> > >"...Father Time and what he represents. For example, does he literally 
> > >represent time, or sign of the times, or even future time? ..."
> > 
> > If memory serves he was one of those children who had the appearance of a 
> > little old man. He certainly had a very rough childhood: posted off by his 
> > mother from Australia with a sign round his neck to identify him, to a 
> > father he had never met, and a stepmother who, herself, lacked a sense of 
> > her own identity (Little Jude asks Sue at one point if he should call her 
> > mother). Moreover his new parents were itinerant, without fixed abode, 
> > obviously struggling and Little Jude was ostracised by other children for 
> > these reasons. Old before his time, I think, may be apt.
> > 
> > My dime's worth!
> > Cheers
> > Rosemarie. 
> > 
> > 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:06:00 -0500
> From: Rosemarie Morgan <Rosemarie.morgan at yale.edu>
> Subject: RE: [hardy-l] RE: Hardy-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3
> To: hardy-l at coyote.csusm.edu
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> Hi Kristin -- Things must have escalated on this topic since I researched 
> it for my Women and Sexuality book -- Short of re-reading my book I can 
> only offer
> 
> Elkins, S.M *Slavery: A Problem in In American Institutional Life *(1968)
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> Tannenbaum, Frank, *Slave and Citizen* ( 1946) -
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> I have a few paragraphs in W&S - in Notes, 187-188
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> There must be a host of other titles (also in my own Bibli) but sifting 
> them isn't something I can do at the moment -- it would take more time than 
> I have at my disposal.
> 
> Good Luck!
> 
> All best,
> Rosemarie
> 
> Your note below about the studies on emancipation and the New Woman, 
> drawing comparisons to slavery, interests me very much. Would you please 
> point me in the right direction regarding these studies with a 
> citation? I'd be very grateful.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Kristin
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